tv Glenn Beck FOX News December 21, 2009 5:00pm-6:00pm EST
[captioning made possible by fox news channel] glenn: welcome to the glenn beck program, a special heroes and stories and three best-selling authors and what it means to be a hero rather than a superhero. this one is for my son. come on, let's go. now, i'm a little self-conscious because i realize everybody has ties on and i'm not wearing one. i thought this was going to be casual. hello, america. this program actually is for my son ray. he is five years old. every night we read the scriptures together. i know that makes me a religious zealot but anywho, we were sitting down and talking, and
i don't i don't remember which bible hero it was, and i said to him -- this was about four or five months ago, i said, well, he was a hero, huh, and he looked at me so puzzled sitting there on my lap, and he said no. i said why not? he said, dad, and he looked down at the scriptures and he looked up at me, and he said he can't fly. i realized that my son doesn't understand what a real hero is. that night i laid in bed with my wife and we talked about it and she said turn off the light and go to sleep! i couldn't go to sleep because it was bothering me so much. the country, our planet is in need of real heroes. how do we teach our children how to be heroes when everything they see, everything they read is nothing but a superhero? i decided to bring some friends in, and they are three
best-selling authors who know about the value of heroes in all of their stories. ted bell is the best-selling author of "nick of time." let me tell you something, this book is absolutely fantastic for your kids. it reads like an old novel. i mean, anytime -- i don't mean that as a slam. it reads like an old novel. >> it's brand new. glenn: yeah. it reads like a classic is a better way to say it, "nick of time. " and "time pirate" comes out, and brad metalser, "book of lies" this is not necessarily for your kids, kind of spooky, but i wanted to bring brad in because he has a connection to a real superhero, i guess, if you will. we will get into that in a little while, and richard paul evans, the best-selling author of "the christmas box." his latest is "the christmas
list. " i think this is a real hero, somebody who decideds to reevaluate their life and make a change in their life and do the right thing. by the way, it's a little like being on oprah. everybody in the audience is taking copies of these books home today! yeah! it's like a new car, except they're books! ok. so, i guess the first thing that comes to mind when i tell you the story about my son, and i didn't know how to combat that, because i was like, no, but there are real heroes, and everything seems less than heroic to him. anybody? good night, everybody! thanks for coming! >> i will tell you this, i know it upsets. i can see it gets you going, because you are, like, this guy is an imagine necessary superman, but superman matters.
when. your son got it right. he didn't get it wrong. superman still stands for truth and justice and the american way. he's not just a character. sure he's a character, but we don't love him because he has red underwear on the outside of his pants or a big red cape. we love the character because of what he stands for. people think that superman stands for punching bad guys and you can fly, but that's not who superman is. glenn: hang on a second. i'm going back and trying to find all the old t.v. shows that i grew up with, and i went and i bought the original 1956 mickey mouse club, so my son and i are watching the little 19-minute episodes of zorro, and if he's good, dad will come home and we'll watch zorro and he absolutely loves it, but this is a story where the bad guys are brad, and the good guy is good. there's no in between. the bad guy loses.
the good guy wins, you know, and he's loving that, and zorro doesn't fly. i mean, you're writing about heroes now. your book, ted, "nick of time." i haven't read the new one yet, but "nick of time" the reason i said it read like a classic is the way the central character -- sorry, it's been a while since i read it. what is the central character's name? >> nick. i like "nick of time" better than "bob of time." glenn: ok, i haven't read the book. ok. it is fantastic! nick, the way he treats his sister is the way i want my son to treat his sister. he stands up for her. he is protective. he is kind. he does the right things, and when i read the book, do you remember, i called you right after, and i said i haven't read
anything like this that's not 100 years old, because it still had values to it. >> right, right. i can address that, because i wrote this book pre-harry potter and wrote it actually for my daughter who was 8 years old at the time, and i was looking at what she was reading and it was r.l. stein and vampires or whatever, but there was nothing in children's literature at that time that captured the inspirational qualities that i found in the books that i read as a boy -- "treasure island" for instance, "huck finn," tom sawyer, because. all i did was read as a kid, but i couldn't find it, and so i wrote sort of an old-fashioned book, which isy it feels that way to you, because it was deliberate. i wanted to recapture that kind of heroic epic saga of "treasure
island" and i tried to do that in the writing as well as in the story itself. i tried to write it so it would feel like that, but in a way that modern kids would have a great time reading it. as i reread "treasure island" i didn't think they would have a good time because there were too many words that had fallen out of usage and they would have a hard time with it. so that's why i wrote it, to get a flesh and blood hero out in children's literature. glenn: am i being paranoid as a dad that there is not enough real heros? >> i don't know. i was raised with superheros, aquaman, spider-man, and i had older brothers so i always wanted to punch someone through a wall. glenn: i hope you don't mind me sharing this, god's honest truth, the first time i meet rick, we're on the set of a show i did on another network, and we were sitting there, and i didn't know that he had tourette's, and
i said -- i knew your son had tourette's and we were talking about that, and you said you had tourette's, and i said, really, i haven't seen anything. his tourette's manifests itself, and correct me if i'm wrong, when you see a celebrity or in my case, a quasi-celebrity, you have an urge to spit in their face? >> that is the reality. glenn: i want to stand in line to do that! but i mean, you have dealt with real true struggles in your life. your son has real true struggle struggles. i think the country is headed for real tough times. i want my kids to be prepared, so what's the best way to teach them to be valiant and does book reading play a role in that?
>> saab lutely. after our conversation about the tourette's syndrome, i was inundated with e-mails and phone calls from around the country. something beautiful happened. glenn: you have a lot of spit in your mouth. he swallowed really hard! >> yes, you are a celebrity, glenn. what happened is parents started to bring their children to my book signing and right in the front is this beautiful little girl. she had this really obvious facial twitch and it was time to sign the books and she came up with her mom and i looked down at this beautiful girl and i said what surname? she said amy, and i said amy, i want to tell you a secret, i have tourette's syndrome. she said so do i. i said isn't it cool? >> she said it is? and i said, oh, yeah, it is. i looked up at the mother and tears were coming down her eyes. we need these heroes. all across america, they are
bringing their kids saying i know it is hard, you have tourette's syndrome, but he succeeded, so it gave a personal effect on the kids, looking people are buying his books around the world and here he is with tourette's syndrome and you can be something, too. it's so important that we have these heroes. glenn: brad, first of all, tell the story on how you're connected to superman. >> i have actually been able to write the character as a comic book character but i was at a book signing a couple of years ago expressing my love for this character and a woman stands up and says i'll know more about superman than you will ever know. i thought, lady, that's a horrible question, first of all, but it is florida, so i understand there's crazy people, and she said -- glenn: is that where we keep them, florida? >> that's where i live, so trust me, yeah. we both live there, so yeah. she said i know more about superman because jerry siegel who created superman is my
uncle. she proceeded to tell me the story of why the world got superman. she tells me about a real life unsolved murder that happened in 1932, and when they asked jerry siegel all these years in 50 years of interviews they say why did you come up with the character of superman? he never once said my father died in a crime. his father died in a crime and weeks later he creates the world's greatest crime fighter and he never tells anyone and that is why the world gets superman, not because america is the greatest country on earth, it is because a boy lost his father. that's fascinating to me. it says something about the character that people don't consider and where this character comes from. i spend two years turning this into a murder mystery that i use in my mod novel and i'm glad you liked that part, but what i learned in the book is, you know, we all -- and you think about this with your son. again, we all focus on, oh, superman looks ridiculous in that outfit, but we forget that
the first morality -- glenn: i really haven't concentrated on that, but now i will see the are red underwear. really, i did notice that. >> i hope you did. when people say where did you learn your morality, we want to say i learned it in great books and i readz scripture and whatever else but we forget that the first stories that we read as kids are comic books. that's what we read. that's why these characters just don't give us punching bad guys in the face. they give us something more. what i learned researching superman is the best part of superman is not superman. the best part of the story is clark kent and all the people that look and say i love this character and that character and all the ripoffs of superman that have happened over the years, the one thing they are policing and why they will never be superman is because they are missing clark kent. we are all clark kent. we all know what it is like to be boring and ordinary and wish we could do something else as ourselves.
glenn: clark kent is superman? >> that's the best part of the story. we know what it is like to wish we could do something spectacular and long to help someone and wish we could help someone and wish we could do it. glenn: i'm sorry, maybe this is boring the snot out of you tonight, but this is is as a dad what i'm struggling with right now. that is that we all knows what it feels to be weak, and we all wish we could do something, but then you take off your clothes and you become superman. that's not the answer. look, is my book out here at all, "the christmas sweater"? i hate the ending of my book. as you know, rick, and let me share a story that nobody has never known. my book ended with the real way. this is a children's copy, and there is not a lot of sadness in it. it's like simon and schuster said this is for kids, so can we
leave out the bad car crash and mom dying? no, i want the kids to cry. this book actually ended a different way. simon and schuster said we can't have it because, please don't let mom die, so i called up my good friend rick and i said, rick, you read it, and you said, you know what? i think i can help. >> i saved your life. glenn: you did, because at the time i couldn't get simon and schuster to publish this book. you know what it's like. i couldn't get them to publish the novel, so i had to compromise. rick, thank god, came in and helped write the end of this book. remember we worked on the phone, and rick wrote the ending to have a happier ending. i like the ending of this book. at the same time, i hate the ending of this book, because redemption doesn't erase the past. you have to do the hard things.
so, how does super superman teach our children? you don't go into a phone booth and change. you stand up. how does superman teach that? >> you know who teaches that, you teach that. the answer is never in a comic book and it's not in my novel and it's not in any story. it's not in the newspaper. the number one hero and we talked about this with our kids, the number one hero is mom, dad or that parental figure, and that's how it should be, and anyone look for the hero to be a four-color action star, you might as well look to an athlete or tiger woods. we have to right now, seize that moment, be thrilled that your child loves this character who is fighting for something good and then tell him, you know he is imaginary and now let me show you the real one, but the fact that he cares about that value is spectacular glenn. that's spectacular. i have an eight-year-old boy and
there is nothing i have enjoyed more from this tiger woods' story to say to my boy with perfect clarity, that is why athletes are not heroes. that -- and i don't tell him what adultery is because he's eight years old. i tell him he is mean. he is like, what a hussy, dad, and i tell him, well, a hussy, son is what you find at the mall. go to the mall. i do tell him this guy was bad to his wife. my son knows nothing more right now than the idea is drilled in him that that is not what a hero is. there is a guy in my neighborhood who dressed up like tiger woods for halloween and i know there goes the christmas card. i know i can teach him that, i'm his dad. glenn: halloween costume? he did go door to door to get
candy. >> my kid wanted to be a zombie. that's the value in our house. >> i know about brad's involvement with superman, and i totally am sympathetic to that. i grew up loving superman and read comics con santly, but what i'm trying to do with "nick of time" books is i want flesh and blood kids who have insecurities and problems and wonder if they have the stuff that it takes to be a hero inside them, and they want a chance to find out, so they -- glenn: let me ask you this, let me ask and then we will take break and you can give me the answer. i was out on book tour a few weeks ago, and the people who, you know, put everybody through the line and everything else, they came to me after the first, like, three cities, and they said this is amazing. we have never seen anything like this, and they do book tours with everybody. they said "everybody's asking
glenn: welcome back. it is a special hour tonight prompted by something that my son said after we read some scriptures and i said to him afterwards what a real hero, huh, and he said, no, he can't fly, and i realized that my son sees heroes differently than i do. maybe it's normal. maybe it is just me being a paranoid dad but the world needs heroes. the world needs people to stand up. i told you this story before going into the break, that i went out on book tour, and there are -- each of these stops there were 2,000 to 5,000 people, and they were lined up, and there were a lot of people trying to get everybody through quickly, and people apparently, to the people who are helping the line go through, asked the same question of those people that
were part of my team, almost to the letter everyone asked the same question. anybody have a guess on what that might be? anybody? >> who is your hero? >> is he nice? >> is he really who he says he is? is he really that way? and the reaction was, because they all said, he's a monster! no, the reaction was the same from everybody. oh, thank goodness. we are so desperate for someone we can look up to, someone that is not a sham, somebody who is real, we're starving for that, and i think it's because everybody is telling us you can't do it. you can't make it. you need this or they're all like that. whatever. we're looking for anybody who
has made it. john huntsman is a very good friend of mine. >> i know john. >> john is the guy who came up with the styrofoam plate and the plastic knife and fork. the egg carton that we all use, the styrofoam egg carton, that's his. he grew up poor. he is a mentor of mine. i am watching that guy like a hawk. anybody who can live 75 years, make mistakes, but still, when they found out that the styrofoam package for mcdonald's was bad for the environment, he stopped making them. they didn't ask him. he just stopped making them. i have been looking for somebody that i can look up to. don't you think that's important for our children as well, in real life and in fiction? let's go back to tiger woods. >> i think the problem is that the entertainers or sports figures, but not people of character that inspire children.
glenn: give me a definition of character in today's world, and anybody in the audience, give me people of character in today's world that you can say that one. >> i'll give you one. a guy named frank shankwicz. he is a cop, and this guy was with a little boy who had cancer, the kid is dying, and the kid just wants a motorcycle, just wants to be on a motorcycle. he loves motorcycles so he goes to his room, and they make him a fake badge and give him a little cop uniform and put him on the motorcycle and the kid loves it. then this boy actually goes into a coma, and when he is in the coma, frank shankwicz goes to his room and he says to him, you know, i brought him the full uniform that we had made for him, a little kid uniform, and this is a true story trvment sounds ridiculous, but the kid wakes up out of the coma, smiles at the guy and gets the uniform.
the kid winds up dying right after, that and on the flight back after leaving the boy, this guy frank shankwicz, this is years ago, looks to his buddy and says we should do that for other kids that. is how the make-a-wish foundation was born. nobody knows the story. why? because nobody takes the time to look at them. these heroes are everywhere. i did "book of faith" and they sent me to fort hood and this is before anything happened and this was years ago, but i came home from fort hood and i said i found more heroes today, you want to know why? because all the women, all the wives of these guys out there, they're heroes because they are putting up with dealing with their kids, with their lives trying to keep this family together when their husbands are gone. my line was all along with woman. usually i'm all happy and my wife is mad about that, but let me tell you, it was fantastic. if you just want to see the negative, you will see tiger
woods but the good people are out there. you will find them. >> it is what we as a culture put our emphasis on. i served alt a church mission in taiwan and every year we have teacher day, a huge national holiday where we celebrate teachers. it is different than what we would do. why would you have a superhero who is a sports car? why, because he can throw a ball well? what makes him a hero? when i grew up, thomas edison was my hero. even though i loved all the superheros, i wanted to be thomas edison. i read everything on him and made inventions. i wasn't a geek, either. >> yes you you were. >> well, maybe i was. >> ok. culture-wise, we really need to look at what's important and why are we just shoving these sports figures down them? at halloween, you won't wear a thomas edison outfit. we're seeing a little bit more
of that, but why have we put so much attention on this celebrity culture that is ridiculous? glenn: maybe it's me, but as an adult, thomas edison is one of my heroes, only because he didn't fail once, two times, five times, ten times. how many times did he fail trying to get the lightbulb? >> ten thousand times! glenn: thousands of times he famed failed and he never asked for a handout and never asked for government and never said i can't do it. he just kept going, and the failure was a lesson. think of the situation that we're in right now if we all had been raised and really pounded into our head, thomas edison, failure is good! imagine what the outcry would be today. we will be right back in just a second. >> a "new york times" best selling novel by glenn beck, a
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>> hello, i'm patti ann browne. today president obama praised senate democrats for helping to push the healthcare bill closer to final passage. the senate bill might then be combined with the house version passed earlier. airports are slowly getting back to normal after this weekend's snowstorm in the northeast. the f.a.a. says nearly all major airports have average delays of less than 15 minutes, and the family of brittany murphy now says the actress was sick with flu-like symptoms days before her death. it is unclear if her illness was a factor. murphy was pronounced dead yesterday. glenn beck returns in a moment but first bret baier previews special report. >> coming up, the senate healthcare bill clears its first and biggest hurdle early this morning. now what and what is in it? plus, if you're getting ready to travel, we have a story you have to see. join me in 28 minutes at the at
the top of the hour but now back to glenn beck. glenn: welcome back to the program. we're talking to three best-selling authors about heroes and the stories and the importance that heroes an superheros play in our childrens' lives. as you know if you have ever watched the show, i'm a little concerned about our future, and i believe i have been telling my wife this for a while, i believe that women are the sarah connor of the real world. i think moms need to teach their kids everything they need to know and prepare them and dads do, too. i want more examples with my kids to be able to show them
real people making real decisions that are tough, and do heroic things. ted bell is the. >> author of "nick of time." now, some of these are for kids, some of them are not, but "nick of time" is a book for, what would you say, 12 to -- >> 10, 11, 12-year-olds. glenn: brad mehtzer is author of "book of lies" and richard paul evans is the author of "the christmas list," which is about a hero of a different sort, somebody who says, wow, i have to change my ways and does. i don't know if it's just me, and before we had this conversation, it is truly amazing, because i think america is starting to reconnect with the same kind of spirit of what we're in. i look at this -- we asked you before we went on the air, who
are your heroes? you just said george washington. you said george washington. you said george washington. you two are watching or writing about george washington. my hero is george washington. let's talk a little bit about george washington. >> let's talk a little bit about george washington. i'm involved with mount vernon which was president washington's home. one of the things we are doing right now, when i was a kid and probably when you guys were kids, we had a picture of george washington hanging on the classroom wall. the first story we heard is "i cannot tell a lie" and he chopped down the cherry tree. that made you want to know more about him and we learned about t we are doing a program where we are making framed portraits of washington at minimal cost available to every school in america and just saying we will sell it to you for almost nothing but you have to promise you are langing it in the hall where the kids come in or in the homerooms or wherever and what
i'm trying to do is -- that's a true hero. we wouldn't be sitting here if it weren't for this hero. glenn: it's amazing to me. i remember the story, i cannot tell a lie, i chopped down the cherry tree. not true. the real stories of george washington are much better. they're phenomenal. 16 years old, looking at what is now pittsburgh and saying "this would make a good fort." going out and forging treaties with the indians, going out to native americans, and having them see in this 16, 17, 18-year-old boy a man of such honor and integrity that the tribal chief would say "you're chosen. you will lead and free many people." i mean, that's incredible. >> not only that, let's think of -- and this is the best george washington story there
is, to me. he's ready, when he is done, the king of england says what's he going to do once he's done with the presidency and he and they said he's going to leave and go home. the king said if he does that, he will be the greatest man of all time. >> the greatest man who ever lived. >> and what does he do? he keeps his word. i mean, he could have been the king of america. they would have had him. we would have loved to have him and gone back on everything we fought for. his ego, trust me, there is very easy at that moment to let your ego surpass surpass what you think is right, but he had more virtue. glenn: bloomberg fought against giuliani. giuliani said let me have it for a couple of months because of this transition after 9/11, and bloomberg said the right thing "no man is indispensable." bloomberg gets into office. he then -- correct me if i'm wrong, new yorkers -- bloomberg changes -- goes to the city council and says you got to change the law because of the
financial crisis and i need to be able to run another term, and they do. that's the exact anti-george washington story on that. my favorite story of george washington is probably no one else's. it is the story where he walks in, you know, after they -- when you truly understand valley forge, and you understand that valley forge happened over and over again. it wasn't just one winter. >> it was six years. >> it was over and over again. the guys didn't even have pants, and how martha would come up and take material and sew clothing for them and he would go beg congress, and he would be promised "we'll take care of it" and they wouldn't, and he fought, and at the end when they finally won the most against the most powerful country on earth,
and the men realized they're not going to get paid. they said we just defeated england. we're going to go kill everybody in congress. we're go to go -- they did. i'm not mistaken, right? >> right. glenn: we're going to kill everyone in congress. we'll take power. they were going to, he said, please don't do that. they had a secret meeting at night. you guys know this story? >> i know the end of it. glenn: they had a secret meeting that night and he found out about it, and he walked in in the middle of the meeting and they got real quiet, and he said gentlemen, i know what you're thinking of doing, but we didn't stop one tyrant to put another tyrant in place. he said "i've just met with a congressman, and he's going to help us, and i have a note, and and he reached into his pocket and took out a note and he wanted to read it, but he couldn't because his eyes were
bad. everybody in that room saw george washington as a man who had bullet holes in his jacket, but never was shot. they saw him as a guy who was bigger than life because they served with him. he said just a minute. he took out his glasses for the first time the people in the room had seen him with glasses, and he put them on, and he said "i am sorry, but i have grown old and gray, and my eyes have grown weak in the service of my country." tears rolled down his cheek he folded the note back up, put it in his pocket and took his glasses off and walked back out. silence in the room. no one pursued. no one spoke. they disbanded, and they followed him. that's a real hero. back in a minute. to other people,
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glenn: we're back with a special program, and in a couple of days you're going to meet one of my real life heroes, john huntsman, who is the most amazing man i have ever seen, and i want you to meet him coming up in a couple of days. tonight we're talking to three of my favorite authors, and we were talking about heroes and heroes in in and the role that they play for our children and in our families, et cetera, et cetera, and when we went to break, we were talking about george washington, and you said we don't have those pinnacle heroes anymore. >> right. we don't even know who the founders are anymore. that is an important word, founder. they founded the country with heroism, integrity, self-reliance and holding this army together with no pay and no shoes. i mean, george washington was a hero for all time, for all
nations. i mean, george washington at one point was revered not only here but around the world as a great hero. we have lost him in this country. as a result, there is a giant vacuum, a giant void. glenn: we've lost all of them. we lost ben franklin. nobody talks about him. ben franklin was an abolition abolitionist. ben franklin went to his grave being called a crazy old coot against -- by those that wanted slavery. oh, he's gone crazy! this man was one of the most important men on the planet at the time, and he risked his career, and everything, his reputation, to say slavery is wrong, but our kids don't learn that. >> by the time i hit college, what i noticed is that there is a certain cultural elite who are fighting against the founders saying they were a bunch of rich white europeans trying to protect their interests, yet all
of them risked their lives, doing things that cultural elite would never do, and certainly washington lived for things greater than himself. we saw true self-sacrifice, and i was in china and a man said to me, do you worship washington? i said no, we don't worship washington. he said you should. he had a picture. here he is in china and he had a picture of george washington on his wall. ho chi minh worshiped lincoln and yet we don't. >> no, that's because we have mao tse-tung hanging in our white house. >> people say we lost them, but why did we lose them? it's our responsibility to tell those stories. i don't expect my school to teach my kid that. i don't want my politicians to teach my kid that. i don't expect anybody to teach my kid. i got to teach my kid. glenn: i will tell you this, and i get a lot of heat when i say this, but john mccain would have been worse for the country than
barack obama. i meant not his policies, because barack obama is throwing us into hot oil, and so we're waking up really fast. we've been on a slow boil for a while, from both parties, but the good thing about what is happening in our country right now is how many people here have recently read the constitution or something by or about the founding fathers? >> wow. glenn: how many people had done that five years before, like you are now? >> look at that. three, four. four people. we are truly waking up. you're right. it is our responsibility, but we took that responsibility and went, oh, somebody else is going to do t now we are rediscovering. there is a great awakening and really renaissance happening, early-american renaissance happening again. sir, what is your name? >> jeff. glenn: jeff, you had a comment?
>> yeah. i was saying that our children need heros to aspire to what they want to become, so what do they look at? they look at the sports heroes and they say, ok, the the guy is a great baseball player, a great golfer and i want to be like that. our children need us to model those things that they aspire us to be. if they see us model what they want to be, it will make it easier for them to believe that they can become that person. glenn: how many of us have for a while been saying, oh, that's a sports hero and they have kind of fallen by the wayside. how many of us now feel as though this financial downturn, as long as it doesn't get horribly ugly, but don't worry, there's nobody reeling about mao in the white house, as long as we don't lose our country, how many people have great and profound hope that we are truly
glenn: welcome back. we're talking about heroes in stories and we're talking to three just fantastic authors, ted bell is the author of "nick of time" which is a great book if your kids are 1r 0 to 15. they're going to love this book. brad mehtzer, he has worked on how many supermans did you do, or how many years? >> couple years. gloits wrote the words that came out of super man's mouth which must have been incredible, and another great book "book of lies," and an adult is like, yeah! and "the christmas list" by richard paul evans, which is a story of a hero of a different kind, a hero of basically a modern-day scrooge, and it's important, i think, that we have
heroes, and that we -- you guys, as authors and me as a wannabe, look at what we're pumping out. where did we leave? we were at the break and i can't remember -- >> the history of it. if you just look at the history of heroes, they always reflect where we are ras a culture, and i went back, i write thrillers for a living but if you look back at the heroes in the great depression in comic strip form, they were tarzan and they were flash gordon, characters who were designed to transport you elsewhere, so they gave us the title of that and people wanted to not be hereby. they wanted to be in the 25th century in the jungle. glenn: did all super superheros fly? >> now, in 1938, world war ii was starting to scare people and encroach on our shores and americans were scared.
we're terrified and suddenly a character named superman appears and takes off faster than anybody in terms of popularity? why? because we're terrified as a country and want someone to protect us. superman was a great use for the army in terms of propaganda and showing people we're going to be ok. here is the armed forces. it is amazing if you look after 9/11, the very first, and it's hard to remember but the very first movie that broke through the public con consciousness when people said we can't do it like that anymore, the first one that broke through was spider-man, because we were once again a country that was terrified and we wanted someone to save us, and to me, it is no coincidence. look at the two people who we nominated for the presidency in the last election. wherever you come out on that election, one of them was a person who thought the bad guys was fought with his great hand andther was a guy who represented half of america. we weren't looking for a politician. we were looking for a savior.
that is where we are as americans. we are scared, terrified and we want someone to save us that. is why -- not to make it all into psycho babble. glenn: i think you're right. that is one of the most frightening analyses of this last years, because i'm a big visual guy and if you look at the way barack obama was imaged, he was as a savior. you look at it now, anybody notice, you watch the newspaper and you watch the photos coming out of him in the white house, almost always they'll have a shot of him with the seal of the president. anybody notice that? it almost looks like a halo. they will take a shot from the side, and he's standing there, and it looks like a russian icon. you can create whatever you want. both sides did it. why? because america had the ap appetite for it. you can feed them whatever you want, but if there is an
appetite, they want it. glenn: right now, i do have an appetite, and i have the appetite now for the truth. i have the appetite for the hard -- the guy who stood up, even if it's not a happy ending, he stood up. i have the appetite for somebody that is just going to tell the truth and do the right thing and says i don't care. i mean, i think -- does anybody else feel like that? that's what you're looking for. i'm not looking for a god. i'm not looking for a savior. i'm not looking for anybody to come in and be able to magically fix it, because the magic fixes have what -- is what got us here. i'm just looking for somebody to say, it's going to be tough, gang, but we can do it.
>> you're the guy. glenn: no! no! >> the time for your show, i think watching your meteoric rise at this time, i don't know if this could have happened five years ago, eight years ago. that's why you're having 2,000 to 5,000 people coming to your signings. everywhere i go people ask is glenn the real guy? i say they turn off the camera and he is the same guy when the camera is off. that's right. they ask me the same question. glenn: we'll be back in just a minute. five touching tributes, four hearts a warming, three singers singing, two guests surprising, one place for friends.
glenn: we're back with some final thoughts. we've been talking about heroes and we went into the break and i said to the audience, what should we leave america with, and dominic in the back says "bada bing, i got the answer!" dominic. >> i believe a lot of us do a lot of heroic things. however, we are all human and we all make mistakes but the media seems to hone in and exploit and just focus on the negative aspects of peoples' lives and this is what your kids watch. glenn: you know what? i tell you what, well, now that the show is almost over, turn your televisions off and be the example in your children's lives, and make sure that we teach our kids look at what that person did. it was tough, but look what t